Who are you and what’s your podcast about?

I’m Akram Khan. I’m a dancer, choreographer, and director, and I’ve made movement into my life and work. Move to Live, brought to you by Marquee TV, explores the profound questions that arise from the intersection of movement and life, such as: How does the way we move affect how we think and behave? What happens if we don’t get the opportunity to move? How does movement play a part in life apart from dance? I have always wanted to talk with creative people about these questions.

What’s the first podcast you ever listened to?

I’m really interested in other people’s stories and their connection to music. And so I enjoy listening to BBC Radio’s Desert Island Discs. Music has always played such an important part in my life. One of my fondest podcasting memories is being interviewed for the show. The presenter, Kirsty Young, has an amazing voice for radio. I also enjoy BBC Radio 4’s Homeschool History (mostly with my kids) and Gimlet Media’s The Habitat.

Why did you decide to start podcasting in the first place?

Connecting with our bodies is essential; without this connection, we can’t fully engage with the world around us. Our physicality shapes our relationship with everything outside of ourselves. Movement has always been my way of communicating. I wanted to explore this connection with people who aren’t necessarily dancers. I’m curious about their relationship to movement. It’s something that I’ve been wanting to do for a while now and it’s been an enlightening journey.

Akram Khan and Andy Serkis

Which podcasts do you take inspiration from?

Joe Rogan’s podcast intrigues me. His show hosts such a diverse range of guests and while I don’t always agree with them, often I am interested in hearing what they have to say and how they choose to respond.

Who’s your dream guest for the podcast?

I’m really interested in film so it would be amazing to speak to Christopher Nolan and Steve McQueen. Their insights and stories would be absolutely fascinating.

What’s the biggest lesson you’ve learnt so far as a podcaster?

For me, being on the receiving end of interviews is familiar territory but conducting them is a whole new experience. It has been incredibly enlightening to be the one guiding the conversation so that my guests feel comfortable in sharing their own ideas and stories.

(Left) Akram Khan and Izzy Judd
(Right) Es Devlin and Akram Khan

Which episode would you say is the perfect introduction to your podcast?

The first episode is a conversation between Susannah Simons, Director of Content at Marquee TV, and myself; it’s a good introduction to the series. Suzannah interviews me and really, she sets the tone for the insightful discussions to come.

Where can the Pod Bible readers find out more about you?

I don’t have social media but you can find out more about what I am up to through my Company at www.akramkhancompany.net and on social media, Instagram: @akramkhancompany and Facebook: AkramKhanCompany.

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In each episode, Philip and his co-host Liam Billingham analyse a different action film that has some kind of connection to Die Hard – be it through premise, personnel or otherwise. Some of these movies involve classic ‘Die Hard on a blank’ scenarios, like the boarding-school based Toy Soldiers, the U.S. Battleship-based Under Siege and plane-based Passenger 57. But others have more subtle and surprising connections to the original 1988 classic, such as Road House, Ricochet and Harrison Ford thriller The Fugitive.

An LA-based podcast, Die Hard on a Blank is produced by Sugar23 and Michael Sugar (the Oscar-winning producer of 2016’s Spotlight) and it’s already attracting some stellar guests. We talked to Philip when the podcast first launched, but now that the show is really gathering steam, we asked him to reflect on his favourite episodes so far…

Die Hard (Episode 1A and 1B)

We kicked off the show with a two-part double-header on the daddy of the genre: Die Hard. First, we talked through the entire movie scene by scene, discussing moments, creative choices and characters that we love. In the second part we talked about the origins of the film, which was based on a terrific novel called Nothing Lasts Forever and was influenced by earlier movies such as The Taking of Pelham 123, The Towering Inferno and First Blood. I’d only met Liam twice before recording the episode (and never in person) but we just clicked instantly, so I love this ep on a personal level because it also captured the beginning of our friendship.

Licence to Kill (Episode 3)

It’s Die Hard in a Bond movie! I took my research for this episode very seriously because I know how much James Bond means to people, especially in the UK, where 007 is arguably our greatest pop-cultural export. The links to Die Hard might not be immediately obvious, but they are there, and it was also a really fun experience for me and Liam to unpack this film, and its context within the wider Bond canon, from our differing cultural perspectives (I’m British, Liam’s American). Liam grew up on Sean Connery, whereas I was weaned on Roger Moore, but we both love what Timothy Dalton did with the role. Although it’s not necessarily “the best”, this is actually my favourite Bond movie!

The Last Boy Scout (Episode 9)

It’s Die Hard in an LA noir! This is one of the episodes I’m most proud of, and it was also the most vulnerable for me, because the director of the film – the late, great Tony Scott – is one of my biggest heroes, so I got a little emotional talking about him. It led to a wide-ranging, deep dive discussion that encompassed film noir, American distraction and the dark history of Los Angeles. We also talked about (gridiron) football, as I’m obsessed with the NFL, so much so that Kyle Brandt (the effervescent host of ‘Good Morning Football’ on the NFL Network) will be guesting on the pod for our Hard Target episode (out August 2nd). In my first interview with you guys, I said that Kyle would be my dream guest for the show, so to get him was an incredible coup!

Hard Boiled (Episode 10)

It’s Die Hard in a hospital! We were so excited to talk about this incredible movie that we went into a state of hyperactive mania! I absolutely love John Woo and Chow Yun-fat and I just cannot get over how astonishing this movie is to watch. For me, Hard Boiled is like this magnificent, exotic, phantasmagoric vision that was beamed to us from another world – it’s exuberant action cinema at its absolute zenith. By this point we were pretty dialed in to our format, that also includes the ‘Die Hard Oscars’ (with categories such as The Dick Thornberg award for ‘Dick of the Movie’) and our ‘Double Jeopardy’ trivia quiz. We were just having a blast.

Cliffhanger (Episode 14)

It’s Die Hard on a mountain! This was a particularly cool episode as we were joined by Jamelle Bouie, a brilliant and highly influential opinion writer for The New York Times. Jamelle also co-hosts a fantastic podcast called Unclear and Present Danger, where he analyses the action movies of the 1990s through a political lens, and he’s just an incredibly smart, yet completely unpretentious, person. Cliffhanger is one of the more obvious ‘Die Hard on blank’ films, in that it directly replicates the classic ‘Die Hard formula’ (i.e. ‘bad guys take over a blank and it’s up to one person to fight back’) in a different setting, but that setting is a really interesting and unusual one here. We also talked about Sylvester Stallone, Michael Rooker, John Lithgow and the director Renny Harlin, whose background in horror may have influenced this surprisingly gory movie!

Listen to Die Hard on a Blank now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and all other popular podcast apps >>

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Who are you and what’s your podcast about?

Our podcast is called Square Hole and it is a podcast about neurodiversity, employment and the creative industry. Talking around diagnosis and awareness, fitting into the work place, how to start looking for jobs, how to interview well. And then we move into audiences and interpretation and the creative process. So we take you on a bit of a journey, through the whole leaving university, finding out your diagnosis, straight through to getting working, keeping work, and developing and growing in the work place and straight through the creative process and audience interpretation.

Lorna from Square Hole

Why did you decide to start podcasting in the first place?

We came together to do the podcast, but initially it wasn’t a podcast in our first idea. Jhinuk Sarkar, my collaborator, is an illustrator and educator and had worked in disability within arts and within universities, as a Disabilities Officer. And I’m a Photographer and Art Director and I approached Jhinuk to potentially work on a photographic story along with illustrations to build a picture, a sort of visual narrative of what it means to be neurodiverse. And we discussed what that would look like and we wanted to write an article afterwards, but after our first meeting we ended up talking about developing a podcast. So it went from one idea to another, which is always very exciting.

The initial idea still stands that we wanted to make a visual narrative of the content, however we found out that making a podcast is quite hard work, so most of the budget and time has gone into actually making the podcast itself. And hopefully we will get more funding so that we can make our visual interpretations and iterations of the content.

You dropped all the episodes in the series in one go – why did you decide to do it that way?

Because we didn’t really know the best way to do it, I think. We had prepared everything and so we thought we would just release everything. The podcast isn’t really in a linear way. There is a sort-of order, but true to neurodivergent pathways it can be tackled in any way, so we wanted people to approach it in any way they felt they wanted to.

Did you take inspiration from any particular podcasts?

We did take some inspiration from other podcasts, and one in particular is my favourite, Seen On Radio, which I think is a very inspiring podcast. I really, really enjoy that.

Who’s your dream guest for the podcast?

I have to say, I think everyone we already have has been our dream guests. All of our interviewees surpassed our expectations tremendously, they were incredibly generous, incredibly informative, just so inspiring listening to their stories. Jhinuk and I couldn’t have wished for better people to be involved, they were astounding.

Jhinuk from Square Hole

What’s the biggest lesson you’ve learnt so far as a podcaster?

Making a podcast is a really big deal and there’s a lot of things you don’t think of! Yeah it was a much, much bigger job than we had anticipated, so that’s the big thing we learnt I think.

Where can the Pod Bible readers find out more about you?

You can find the podcast on all platforms. We’re on Instagram @sqhole sharing more information about ourselves and our guests, and the next stages of the project will be through that.

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Since then, more than 30 older people aged 60+ have been involved in the first series, and it was even praised by Prince William! The award-winning podcast is back for a second season and looks set to continue is its mission for creativity and connection. We spoke to creators, theatre company Made By Mortals.

Why podcasting? What is it about the format that appeals for this project?

We turned to podcasts through necessity to be honest. We run a not-for-profit that traditionally creates music theatre and films with groups of people from our community in Manchester. When lockdown hit, like everyone we were forced to work remotely, which meant that none of our groups could meet in person. We wanted to create something that could bring people together during a time that they were forced apart. So, through experimenting, playing and using our imaginations over zoom, we came up with the concept of Armchair Adventures, a podcast series for children that takes them on a journey of the imagination.

We were able to develop the scripts, rehearse and record using equipment we all had to hand, while still managing to create something that meets (and I think has now surpassed) the artistic quality of our theatre work.

Podcasting has also helped us to grow our audience reach. Armchair Adventures has had tens of thousands of listens, if that was one of our theatre productions we’d have to sell out a lot of venues to reach those numbers!

You’re also able to play with sound design to make the listener feel part of the action. Podcasts have allowed us to create immersive theatre far more regularly than we ever could when putting on a staged theatre show

To top it off, podcasts are also easy to get hold of, they’re convenient for an audience as they can take their podcasts with them wherever and play them whenever. So all in all, podcasting was the perfect solution!

Which episode would you say is the perfect introduction to your podcast?

I think our Armchair Adventures episodes are getting better and better all the time, so I’d go for our latest one ‘An Underwater Adventure’ (released 11th November). The series follows 15 year old travel agent Connie, and her gang of explorers. With the pandemic, people haven’t been able to go abroad as freely as they used to, so they’ve come up with an alternative to a traditional vacation, a journey of the imagination, an “Armchair Adventure”. Using the voices of Connie and the gang, music, immersive sound design, and places in the podcast for the listener to interact too, the listener is very much a part of the action.

The use of the music in this latest episode, ‘An Underwater Adventure’ is really fun. It’s like the piano has come along on the journey too, and instead of hearing someone speak, the piano communicates through music!

We also always have an important message for children in the podcasts too, in this one, it’s all about conservation and climate change. And as always, there’s plenty for the listener to join in with too in this episode! I do love ‘Carla’s Bubble Adventure’ and ‘A Showbiz Adventure’ from season 1 too though!

Has Armchair Adventures grown beyond the podcast?

One of the most exciting things about Armchair Adventures is how it has been adapted to be used in lots of different settings. We made the series for children so it was important to us that we put it in front of as many kids as possible! We have great relationships with local schools through our theatre work, so we presented the podcasts online in ‘Live Online Shows’. This also put podcasting on the radar for many schools and children. Since then we’ve made teaching resources to accompany the podcast episodes, so teachers can embed the learning. This was particularly impactful with ‘A Unity Adventure’ which is about racial equality.

We’ve also created an activity pack for older people and trained up activity co-ordinators in nursing homes so they can use it with their residents. Now restrictions have eased up we’re now creating the episodes in person and also working on the development of a live Armchair Adventures theatre show – watch this space!

Which podcasts do you take inspiration from?

I really like The Story Pirates and how it blends actors, musicians, improvisers and stories from kids. It’s quite like how we create Armchair Adventures, except we make it using stories from over 65s!!

Away from podcasts, we’re really into the work of Tim Crouch, a theatre maker who challenges traditional theatre conventions. We try and do that with our work, blurring the distinction between performer and audience member.

What is the most valuable lesson you have learned from working on this project?

You can’t just expect an audience to fall at your feet, no matter how good you believe your podcast to be. You need to spend just as much time, if not more, marketing your podcast and maintaining audience engagement as you do making the episodes!

We’ve worked really hard at this, and although we’ve had a low-budget, grassroots marketing campaign, the results have been brilliant: tens of thousands of listens including a surprise following in India; engaged with over 5,000 school children through our Live Online shows; we’ve trained over 50 activity co-ordinators in nursing homes; we were recommended by BBC Radio 4 and Podcast Radio; received a letter of commendation from HRH Prince William and most recently we became an award-winning podcast by winning Best Podcast at the Manchester Publicity Awards 2021!

It’s all nuts and can’t wait for where our next adventure takes us!

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Who are you and what’s your podcast about?

I’m Adam, an actor, voice artist and podcaster based in New York City. I host The Spark Parade podcast, where I chat with top creative minds about the cultural work that sparked their inspiration.

Why did you decide to start podcasting in the first place?

After the 2017 presidential inauguration, the Trump administration threatened to cut public funding for the arts. That made me think about why art and entertainment are important to me personally and to humanity writ large. I wanted to speak to other creative people about the cultural touchstones that have shaped their lives and careers, so I launched The Spark Parade.

What’s the first podcast you ever listened to?

Savage Love, a sex and relationships advice podcast. Quite different to The Spark Parade!

Which podcasts do you take inspiration from?

I love Song Exploder. Each episode features a musician or a band describing the process involved in writing one of their songs. I also love The Read, which is basically just two friends hanging out, but their humor and keen observations make it really engaging.

Who’s your dream guest for the podcast?

I would love to have Stevie Wonder on the show and find out about the cultural work that sparked his inspiration.

Which episode would you say is the perfect introduction to your podcast?

In one of my favorite episodes, Roisin Murphy spoke to me about drawing inspiration from Terrence Conran’s The House Book. I’m a huge fan of her music and she was very high on the dream guest list. She told me some incredible stories about her passion for interior design, architecture and travel. My favorite part was hearing about an architectural tour she took with her boyfriend across Europe when she was 17.

What’s the biggest lesson you’ve learnt so far as a podcaster?

It’s really important to focus your podcast on something that excites you. I’m an arts and entertainment obsessive, so speaking to my guests about their cultural inspiration is a thrill every time!

Where can your audience find out more about you?

I’m @sparkparade on all social media and you can download or stream episodes at thesparkparade.com.

Listen to Spark Parade on ACAST, SPOTIFY or ELSEWHERE.

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In January 2015, long-time podcaster Helen Zaltzman – not quite yet a Podcast Champion but on her way to the honour – debuted her second audio project, The Allusionist. “I didn’t know what it would be until I really started it,” Zaltzman told The Guardian* later that year. She just began with the idea that: “There are hundreds of thousands of words in the English language and the combinations of those words and humans using them is almost infinite.”

That’s what each episode of The Allusionist is: a deep-dive into the history behind a word, phrase, dialect or other facet of the English Language (slang and swear words feature often), that has been forgotten now that the term has entered mainstream use.

After eight years of making Answer Me This! along with Olly Mann and Martin Austwick, Zaltzman launched The Allusionist as a solo podcast, with Austwick providing the music. At 131 episodes and counting (Zaltzman releases two or three episodes a month; the latest, Podlingual, came out on February 25th 2021), knowing where to start with the podcast can feel daunting.

The good news is, you can start anywhere! Each episode is self-contained, there are no narrative arcs, and any inter-episode references are clearly signposted. There’s even a Lexicon page on The Allusionist website, where you can choose a word, then find the episode that it appears in.

I’ve chosen these three episodes as the ones I think newbies should begin with – and, I asked Helen Zaltzman herself to comment on my choices. Here they are:

Episode 4 – Detonating the C-Bomb

You’ve got to love a podcast that devotes its fourth episode to the strongest swear word in the English language. But why is it the one that makes people recoil the most? Why is it so much more popular in the UK as opposed to the US, and why does it sound all the morse insulting if you hit the final ‘T’ hard? If, like me, you find yourself lost in these questions, then this episode is a great place for you to begin!

HZ: At this point, I was still learning what the Allusionist was, and how to make it. I hadn’t yet adjusted to having an audience that was not predominantly British but American, as there’s a different attitude to the C-word in the USA that I hadn’t really understood. It’s a lot of listeners’ favourite episode of the show – swearing is always a crowd-pleaser, I have since learned. Listen now >>

Episode 93 – Gossip

Gossip is an absolutely classic Allusionist episode: taking a term that has been unfairly gendered as female – and maligned as a result – then looking at why this has happened. Zaltzman uncovers the history of sexism and behind the term. Men gossip just as much as women, because it’s essential to building social bonds and finding out news in the workplace, but they don’t get the flak for it. Want to know why? Dive into this episode!

HZ: Gossip was an episode that came about because on a whim I looked up the word’s etymology, and found it to be very different to what I expected – I love it when that happens, Step Away is another episode like that, and the pieces about ‘bulldozer’, ‘lemur’ and ‘copper’. Although the history of the word is what piqued my interest, the main narrative of the episode is more about how the word has been twisted to dismiss something as trivial and feminine, even though gossip is actually really important, socially and culturally. Listen now >>

Episode 99 – Polari

This is an unexpectedly emotional episode, as Zaltzman digs down into a culture and a dialect that emerged in the late 1800s, in response to strict laws against homosexuality, but fell out of use once those laws were neutralised by the Sexual Offences Act 1967. It’s a reminder that our language not only carries history in its syllables, but also the creativity of those who refused to be silenced. The Polari words mentioned so familiar – they’re very much in mainstream use today.

HZ: Some of the most interesting and complex topics on the show are about LGBTQ+ words, and language of oppressed people. Polari covered both. Quite a few Polari words have entered popular vernacular but I wonder if people even know they’re saying words from a secret language that gay men used to communicate with each other before homosexuality was legal. Listen now >>

Listen to The Allusionist on ACAST, SPOTIFY and all other podcast apps.

*That 2015 Guardian piece suggests starting with these three episodes, confirming the legendary status of the Detonating the C-Bomb episode: PortmanNO, C-Bomb, Bosom Holder.

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Who are you and what’s your podcast about?

I’m Scarlett Kefford and I founded Script Sirens, a Midlands based group for female and non-binary scriptwriters. I produced and directed our new show Script Sirens Presents: Siren Screams a six-part horror anthology series of audio plays, each designed to frighten the listener in their own unique way.  I also wrote one of the plays and acted in a few of them, it all got a bit ‘write the theme tune, sing the theme tune’ (ironically two of the only things I didn’t do) – Shout out to the very patient David Bernie!

The Script Sirens. Top Row: Carmen Capuano, Annabel Brightling, Scarlett Kefford, Miriam Sarin, Cassiah Joski-Jethi Bottom row: Kayleigh Watson, Alexandra Taylor, Louise Osbourne, Melly DeNiro, Holly Louise Psaliou

What was the first podcast you ever listened to?

It was either The Adam & Joe Show or Kermode & Mayo’s Film Review.

Why did you decide to start podcasting in the first place?

Well in all honestly, I was kind of forced into it by the coronavirus…with the usual film & theatre avenues closed I wanted a way to keep our group sane, safe & scripting during this time. Having had success (I was nominated for a Royal Television Society Breakthrough award) with producing our own web series Script Sirens Presents:#GoingViral (all on zero-budget) this year and being a podcast fan myself I saw it as means of producing and distributing our own radio plays. And this time we bagged Arts Council Funding to boost the project. Enterally grateful to them!

Which podcasts do you take inspiration from?

The main inspirations for the series weren’t actually podcasts but The Archers (we’re mostly Brummies of course!) and the TV series Inside No. Nine. However some of the podcasts we take inspiration from into our writing practice and living ethos are: Films to Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein, Script Apart, Fuckbois of Literature, Writer’s Routine, The Final Girls and The Guilty Feminist.

Who’s your dream guest for the podcast?

As our podcast is audio theatre rather than interview-based I’d say if we do another season I’d like to feature some spooky music by Birmingham band Sunshine Frisbee Laserbeam as they do these incredible Halloween albums every few years. And a dream actor to feature would be Susan Wokoma – besides being generally incredible I can’t get enough of her voice.

What are the biggest lessons you’ve learned so far as podcasters?

It’s definitely worth paying the back end fees for proper analytics! And also you can create a soundproof booth out of a tent, a chair, a walking stick and many throws.

What episode would you say is the perfect introduction to your podcast?

As the series is an anthology, each episode a unique story, you can start and listen in any order. My personal favourite happens to be called ‘Perfect – By Alexandra Taylor’ – in every stage of the process from the first draft to record and edit it made me laugh. I wish I’d written it.

Where can Pod Bible readers find out more about you?

You can find us on our Script Sirens website and social media channels. We also have a web series on YouTube.

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Now in its second season, Rule Not The Exception is the inclusive podcast with exclusive guests. Hosts, Sagar Radia and Amrita Acharia talk through a collection of experiences and views from friends and peers in the creative arts and beyond. We asked them to take us through their five favourite episodes.

Sagar Radia, Photo by Michael Shelford

Mandip Gill (Series 1,  Episode 2)

Mandip just brings a natural energy to any room she’s in. She doesn’t take herself too seriously, and I’m sure she can bring a smile to anyone’s face! Having worked with her on The Good Karma Hospital we already had a short-hand with Mandip, but she was great at taking that to another level when we would go off on completely random tangents! I think what made this episode great was her candid honesty and genuine laughter. Sometimes questions in interviews can feel a little formulaic and answers are a little guarded, or “planned” and for our podcast we really try to find a way into the core of a person and a relatability, which this episode is a fantastic example of. “Being yourself” is a phrase that gets bandied around left right and centre these days, but we definitely feel you get a slice of Mandip as ‘herself’ and no one else in our chat together. Listen now.

Elliot Barnes-Worrell (Series 1, Episode 7)

Elliot is the real deal. He acts. He writes. He directs. And that’s only the stuff we do know! His love for stories and attention to detail in our conversation was absolutely captivating. Elliot is an incredibly passionate person and that shone through in our chat when he delved deep about some of his early struggles getting into the entertainment industry. I think this one stuck out for us because he laid it all out in the studio. He could have chosen to shut down certain topics but chose to share honest experiences, and saw it as a responsibility to say his part. It resulted in a raw, and in places painful, but incredibly powerful talk that resonated with a lot of people. Listen now.

Amrita Acharia. Photo by Sam Jackson

Moyo Akande (Series 2 Episode 3)

Moyo is literally a force of nature and despite it being lockdown she’d been so busy with creating projects that we had to pin her down for an hour in the studio! By the time series 2 was mid-way through recording, the Black Lives Matter movement had dominated the headlines, and as a black woman in the creative industry, Moyo has no qualms about speaking out and pushing the conversation to change the lack of representation not just in front of and behind the cameras, but also in the education system. Moyo has a drive and a tenacity that is infectious and this chat really unveils her intelligent, business-like, and yet hands down creative to the core attitude to carving out the career she wants for herself. Listen now.

Naroop Jhooti (Amit & Naroop) (Series 2 Episode 8)

Naroop’s drive and determination to achieve his dreams is something he’s been passionate about since the first day I met him. Not one to mince his words or apologise for his hunger for more, this chat is a brilliant insight into a no-excuses mentality, and a taste of talent meeting opportunity in creating your own luck. With no format training as a photographer his get-up-and-go attitude made for a conversation that I feel people can be inspired by in any line of work. Listen now.

Russell Tovey (Series 2, Episode 10)

Russell Tovey is a staple name in the entertainment industry and was actually a huge reason we started this podcast! Russell has an innate confidence and belief that anything is possible. From acting, to writing, also podcast hosting, Russell has shown you can be a multi-hyphenate and enhance your skillset in various fields. This was a chat we were planning for a while, so we were lucky to get him days before the second lockdown began! I think in our conversation with Russell you can learn about his love of acting, some key roles he missed out on, and how networking can open doors for you without even realising! Subscribe now to listen when this episode is released.

Check out Rule Not The Exception on Spotify ,  Apple Podcasts and all other platforms. You can follow the podcast, Sagar and Amrita on Twitter.

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