PB: TELL US ABOUT POD SAVE THE UK! WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PODCAST ELEVATOR PITCH?

Coco: A progressive politics podcast from an outsider’s perspective, where the listener isn’t talked down to and instead lifted up and encouraged to engage in politics – all through the prism of hope and humour.

CAN A PODCAST ACTUALLY SAVE THE UK?

Nish: Probably not, but we’ll give it a damn good go. I’m hoping that by asking experts questions about the things that really matter to a lot of us, we can start trying to find solutions to some of the problems facing the country. But look, at the end of the day it’s probably not going to be a podcast that saves us, but the studios are booked so we should realistically press on with it.

HOW SIMILAR TO POD SAVE AMERICA WILL THE NEW SHOW BE?

Nish: Definitely different by virtue that John, John and Tommy actually have worked in politics and can explain how the sausage is made. Coco and I are more firmly on the side of the sausage consumers (this metaphor has got away from me), so unlike the founders of the company we aren’t experts and won’t be pretending to be.

Coco: We’d love to emulate the rapport between the hosts and the no-bullshit approach you can only really get between actual friends, rather than professionals shoved together for the sake of a podcast.

WHAT’S BEEN YOUR FAVOURITE PART OF MAKING THE SHOW SO FAR?

Nish: Working with Coco has been an absolute dream. We’ve been friends for a long time and I am delighted to have contractually obligated her to hang out with me every week. I look forward to a day when I can force all my friends to spend time with me by paying them money.

WHAT KIND OF DYNAMIC CAN LISTENERS EXPECT FROM YOU AS CO-HOSTS?

Coco: We’re great believers in the power of humour to cut through the nonsense, and being relentless optimists we genuinely believe change is possible. We’re outside the Westminster bubble ourselves and want to represent that position – we want to represent the listener. If you ever find yourself watching politics on TV and feel frustrated that everyone seems like they are on another planet, this is the podcast for you. Plus, there’s a lot of jokes.

COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT SOME OF THE GUESTS YOU ARE LIKELY TO HAVE ON THE PODCAST?

Coco: We want to pass the mic to people out there doing good work to make Britain a more equitable place. This is people from inside and outside Westminster -from activists to political scientists, authors and artists.

WHO’S YOUR DREAM GUEST FOR POD SAVE THE UK?

Nish: Marcus Rashford, both for his good work and also so I could meet Marcus Rashford.

WHAT’S YOUR FAVOURITE  POLITICAL PODCAST?

Nish: Obviously the Crooked Media output, but I also really loved being a small part of About Race – a series Reni Eddo Lodge did a few years ago. It was really excellent and is available to download still. Slow Burn is also always great, whether it’s political or about Biggie and Tupac.

WHICH PODCASTS AWAY FROM THE WORLD OF POLITICS WOULD YOU RECOMMEND?

Coco: I listen to every Guardian Long Read – I love the depth and breadth of it – and I am partial to a true crime series. Naturally, Serial excel at the narrative series but I also love a self-contained case explored in a single episode, like with Casefile with its almost deadpan, factual approach. And for warm, genuine rapport, the pop culture series, How Did It Get Made cannot be beat.

Nish: I think people would be surprised by the number of football pods I listen to, including Stadio and Guardian Football Weekly.

FINALLY, IN THREE WORDS, WHY SHOULD PEOPLE SUBSCRIBE?

Nish: I am nice.

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PB: ED! JAMES! TELL US ABOUT YOUR SHOW! WHAT’S YOUR PODCAST ELEVATOR PITCH?

Ed Gamble: It’s a food podcast where we ask a special guest their dream menu and also James is a genie. It mainly ends up being a poo poo wee wee podcast, though. I probably wouldn’t say that bit in the elevator, though.

James Acaster: Ed Gamble and I invite a guest into the dream restaurant and ask them their favourite ever starter, main course, side dish, drink and dessert. Also, I am a genie.

WHY PODCASTING? WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE FORMAT THAT APPEALS TO YOU?

Ed: It’s complete creative control. There’s no notes on what we should be doing and what we shouldn’t, and that definitely appeals. Quite frankly, if we pitched Off Menu as a TV or radio show for a big corporation before it was a podcast then it would’ve got nowhere. All the weird bits would’ve been smoothed over. Podcasts are often characterised by weird running jokes and odd format points that you don’t necessarily get on any other platform. The sort of thing that podcast audiences appreciate – looseness, more natural content – is something I feel much more comfortable with than the more stringent requirements of other mediums. Basically, we can waffle on and people like it.

James: It’s the best format for having a chat and we can release whatever we want each week. Also, Benito does all the hard work for us and that is very appealing.

James Acaster. Photo by Paul Gilbey

HOW DID YOU FIND PODCASTING DURING THE PANDEMIC?

Ed: It pretty much became my career and my social life. We were recording a lot before lockdown and I was worried about how doing episodes over Zoom would affect the rhythm of it. But I think it’s worked pretty well! And chats with James and The Great Benito have often been the highlight of my week. Not sure they’d say the same, but they are my emotional crutch and I’ve come to terms with that.

James: Easiest thing in my whole entire life and I bless Jesus every day for it.

WHAT‘S THE SECRET TO BEING A GOOD PODCAST HOST?

Ed: It’s so different to hosting TV or radio I think. It’s OK to be a bit rough ’round the edges and waffle a little bit – people actually like that. I think it’s a more personal experience for the listener – the best hosts make you feel like you’re in the room with them. That’s the joy of someone like Adam Buxton, he’s so relaxed and fun that you start to think of him as one of your friends that you go out for walks with. Maybe that’s just me. I’m lonely.

James: Pretend to be a genie and always have a good anecdote up your sleeve about Diet Coke.

WHICH INGREDIENTS MAKE A GREAT PODCAST GUEST?

Ed: Just being open and fun and willing to go off topic with the host. All our guests have been wonderful, of course, but the best ones have done some prep – but not so much that they’re rigid. When I’m a guest on podcasts I tend to have listened to at least one in advance, but I don’t think that’s necessary. I just like to know the tone of something so I can drop in without too much fuss. I’m sure James would say something different – he doesn’t even listen to ours.

James: Someone who thinks I am really cool and always agrees with me.

Ed Gamble. Photo by Paul Gilbey

IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO BEFORE YOU STARTED OUT AND GIVE YOURSELF ONE PIECE OF ADVICE, WHAT WOULD IT BE?

Ed: About podcasts? Fire the Great Benito for being a little nerd and for chasing me relentlessly about getting these questions answered by a deadline. Other than that, I’d just go back and make sure I had all the most successful podcasts. Get my dad to write a porno earlier than the other one. Marry Rosie Ramsey. Be really tall and play for England. Be Louis Theroux…? Non podcast advice: buy Bitcoin, start doing weights when I was 18 and practise kissing on fruit before graduating to girls.

James: Steal Peter Crouch’s equipment and throw it in a well.

WHAT’S BEEN YOUR WORST PODCAST MOMENT SO FAR?

Ed: Most of our episodes have been the absolute dream. The rare awkward interview is painful at the time but worth it when it comes out because it gets people talking. I’d love to tell you about an episode where I pooped myself during the record, but I can’t because I’ve done that in every episode since the start. It’s sort of a good luck ritual now.

James: Getting bullied by a mean American man.

WHICH EPISODE OR EPISODES OF YOUR PODCAST MEAN THE MOST TO YOU?

Ed: We got to interview Corey Taylor from Slipknot which was a huge moment for me. I’ve loved that band since I was 13. He was utterly delightful and a very easy interview. That’s one of the episodes that turned into mainly toilet chat and I loved every second of it. The first episode with Scroobius Pip was a great way to start – we knew we had something straight away and it gave us a boost of confidence to carry on in the same vein. There’s so many episodes that I’ve loved. I’m always a fan of the episodes where the guest nails the food description: Sindhu Vee, Andi Oliver and Marcus Samuelsson are particularly good for that. Claudia Winkleman is another highlight, and the episode with Sue Perkins contains a story that blew my mind.

James: The episode where we finally kicked someone out of the dream restaurant means a great deal to me because it reminded me that we are in control of our podcast at all times no matter what.

WHICH PODCASTS OR PODCAST HOSTS DO YOU TAKE INSPIRATION FROM?

Ed: James Acaster

James: Ed Gamble and James Acaster on Off Menu.

FINALLY, WHAT ARE YOUR CURRENT FAVOURITE PODCASTS?

Ed: Dear Joan & Jericha, Dead Eyes, Small Town Dicks, Films To Be Buried With, Pappy’s Flatshare Slamdown, Nobody Panic, Rabbit Hole, Elis James and John Robins, Early Work.

James: There are too many good ones to choose from, oh mama! Find out more about the podcast including links to the restaurants mentioned by all guests at offmenupodcast.co.uk.

Photo: Paul Gilbey

If you love Off Menu be sure to check out our video celebrating the launch of issue 15, listen to Ed and James on Episode 12 of the Pod Bible Podcast and read this best-of Off Menu list from superfan and meme supremo @nocontxtoffmenu…

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Tell us about your show! What’s your podcast elevator pitch??

Jessie: Our podcast elevator pitch is a mother and daughter duo invite a guest round to their house for a ‘friday night dinner’. Friday night dinner was always a big thing in our house. I’d have friends over for dinner and mum would cook, but she couldn’t resist joining in the conversations we’d have and the podcast basically became a continuation of that. We’ve been lucky to have some really amazing and fascinating guests round to mums for dinner – it’s great fun – a great meal and a chat!

Why podcasting? What is it about the format that appeals to you?

Jessie: I don’t like to call it an interview as it’s a free-flowing conversation over the dinner table, but the longform lends itself to a much broader and interesting conversation. We always want the guest to feel comfortable so it’s very relaxing and natural. We always end up chatting about the most random of things and that’s what I love. we like to hope we get something different out of people.

What’s the secret to being a good podcast host?

Jessie: A good editor!! My producer/editor is magic and manages to cut out a fair few ‘f*cks’! She’s the one that makes me look good.

What do you think makes a good podcast guest?

Jessie: Someone who is up for it, open and says the magic words ‘I’ve never told anyone this before’. Someone who knows what they’re walking into & in our case, good table manners! We’ve had some amazing guests on the podcast; from all sorts of backgrounds and people who do all sorts of different jobs. We especially love it when we have a comedian on! We had Michael McIntrye on recently and we did not stop laughing from start to finish.

If you could go back to before you started out and give yourself one piece of advice, what would it be?

Jessie: Don’t interrupt people & don’t try to fill the pause after a question with another question. I wish I could say I’ve learnt my lesson!

What’s been your worst podcast moment so far?

Lennie: The podcast is really fun and there are no really bad moments, we always laugh a great deal. I remember setting myself on fire with a blow torch trying to outdo Jessie with crème brulee. A tricky time was when we had the lovely George Ezra. My other daughter Hannah opened the door to him and said “Hi I’m Jessie!” Don’t know why she said that but he was immediately confused. The short ribs we’d prepared were inedible and we had to order a takeaway!! We’ve also had a guest who ordered a takeaway in advance when we’d already cooked for them!!!

Which episode or episodes of your podcast mean the most to you?

Lennie: I have loved all the episodes. I was proud to have Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London who broke his fast with us over Ramadan. It was very special to have Nigella Lawson who really is a goddess. I loved talking to George Aligiah – who wouldn’t with that voice. I think to have kept going during lock down and have some amazing guests has been wonderful. We couldn’t cook for them but we certainly talked about food with Nick Grimshaw, Mel and Sue, Munroe Bergdorf and John Legend. Florence Pugh and Dua Lipa both had their dinner while we were all on Zoom!

Which podcasts or podcast hosts inspire you?

Lennie: I think The Griefcast is really important and helps unite people who are grieving – it is definitely inspirational. I love Jane Garvey – a completely wonderful host. Dolly Alderton and Pandora Sykes too but my big favourites are Chris and Rosie Ramsey.

Finally, what are your current favourite podcasts?

Jessie: How To Fail with Elizabeth Day, Keep It!, Dear Joan and Jericha, Dolly Parton’s America, Distraction Pieces with Scroobius Pip, Homo Sapiens, The Guilty Feminist and Human with Jess Mills.

Lennie: The Daily, That Peter Crouch Podcast, Homo Sapiens, Sh**ged, Married, Annoyed. I also like Modern Love.

Follow Table Manners, Jessie and Lennie on Twitter: @tablemannerspod // @jessieware // @thelionlennie.

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With an outstanding broadcasting career behind her, Edith Bowman knows a thing or two about creating engaging audio. We caught up with the host of Soundtracking to talk about laughing too loudly, now knowing too much and using your initiative. 

If you could go back to before you started out and give yourself one piece of advice, what would it be?

Don’t laugh too loudly. It makes me cringe when I hear my laugh. I guess I get carried away, which is only a good thing.

What do you think makes a great podcast guest?

Someone willing to have a conversation and allow that conversation to go wherever it may go. To not follow the usual premeditated answers that have been practised for a press tour. That’s why I love getting people out of that cycle.

What’s the secret to being a good podcast host?

Passion, genuine passion. I also think not being too informed on the subject. I’m a music and film fan, I know stuff but not everything and I like to learn from every guest, which I definitely do.

What’s been your worst podcast moment so far?

When I got home after interviewing directors Valerie Farris and Jonathan Denton who had just released Battle of the Sexes and something happened to the audio, there was this constant whine that meant it was unusable. I crawled to the PR people and asked if there was any way I could get another 20 mins with them. Knowing they were off to Europe to do more press, I was willing to jump on a plane or train to do it. Thankfully they had another screening the following night and very kindly said come along and we can chat after that. They were such good sports and very gracious and generous with their time.

Why podcasting? What is it about the podcast format that appeals to you?

The good ones are very intimate and the best ones make you feel involved in the conversation, like you are in the room with them. The worst ones are where you can tell that the host/s just love the sound of their own voices and their opinions are the only opinions. Immediate turn off for me.

What is your podcast/podcaster pet peeve?

Well it’s a funny one. The biggest compliment should be when people try and imitate what you do, but it doesn’t stop you from feeling a little pissed off that someone has basically ripped off your idea. They just wish they’d come up with it first and did it half as well as you do.

Is there anything you found annoying as a listener but then understood when you started making your own podcast?

Not really no. It’s such a wonderful world and opportunity for people to explore and share their passions and stories. Mine came out of sheer frustration. I did a similar show on 6Music, my idea that I came up with, they wouldn’t give me a regular slot, as I knew I could give them a really good guest every week. So I said, fuck it, i’m going to do it myself. That is the amazing thing about podcasts.

Which one episode of your podcast mean the most to you?

Well there are two. The episode we recorded with Jon Favreau was our first ever and I am forever in his debt for being so enthusiastic and willing to jump on board with us. And then our very first episode with Ben Wheatley, he’s such a great supporter of the podcast, we appreciate his love so much. He’s been on three times now!

Finally, which podcast episode not of your own means the most to you?

Oh man that’s a hard one. The one that has made me laugh the most and that I’ve probably listened to the most would be The Adam Buxton Podcast episode with Louis Theroux, the one where they drink an energy drink and get more and more wired the longer the chat goes on for. Genius and a great one to listen to on the tube, laughing out loud and making people think you are mad.

In Soundtracking, Edith Bowman sits down with a variety of film directors, actors, producers and composers to talk about the music that inspired them and how they use music in their films, from their current release to key moments in their career. Subscribe now on Acast, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow Edith on Twitter @Edibow

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Tell us about your show! What’s your elevator pitch??

First of all I would never pitch anything in an elevator. We’re way above that now. I’d probably get the Best Podcast award that we won out of my bag and just hold it out in front of me and then when the other people in the lift ask “why have you got that award?” I’d explain; We do an award winning podcast called The Kurupt FM Podkast where we talk about different topics and help you to understand them. The best way to describe it is probably it’s like injecting pure knowledge directly into your brain using headphones.

Why podcasting? What is it about the format that appeals to you?

We’d been running our pirate radio station for years, blazing out the finest UK garage across the land of Brentford. After we stopped doing Kurupt FM everyone was understandably heartbroken and wanted to hear our voices again. Then our manager, Chabuddy G, told us about these things Audible do called podcasts, which are basically like pirate radio shows, but much, much more boring. I decided that it was time for us to make podcasts credible and at the same time bring our voices to a nation of desperate fans. Also Chabzy said it was a good way for him to advertise shit to gullible people. So everyone wins, really. One thing that’s good about podcasts is that the reach is a little bit wider than pirate radio. Our reach used to be a two mile radius from the block where our aerial was but with the Podkast you can get wherever which is pretty mad.

What’s the secret to being a good podcast host?

Be yourself. Unless you’re boring. Some podcast hosts are proper boring, which is probably why the whole podcast thing hasn’t really taken off until now. The secret to being a good podcast host is to provide wisdom and have natural lyrical talent. That’s why Audible approached me. Good looks aren’t essential cos it’s just audio but there’s nothing I can do about that. They get that for free.

What do you think makes a great podcast guest?

Make sure you recognise and respect the podcast host and above all know your place. Stepping into someone’s podcast is like coming into their home. Take your shoes off on your way in, have some respect, wipe the seat if you use the toilet. That’s a metaphor, Steve’s toilet doesn’t actually work. If you need a piss you have to walk around the corner to the leisure centre or McDonalds.

If you could go back to before you started out and give yourself one piece of advice, what would it be?

We actually discuss time travel as part of the episode about the future. I can say from experience that the idea of going back and talking to yourself is not something I would recommend. It’s better to not interfere in that stuff cos you don’t know what sort of madness you might end up doing. Look at Back To The Future. One minute it seems like a great idea, the next minute you’re like Marty McFly and you’re accidentally about to have sex with your own mum. No thanks.

What’s been your worst podcast moment so far?

Last series we did a Ouija board and accidentally opened the door into the spirit world. That was quite long. I don’t believe in all that stuff obviously but when you blaze loads of weed it’s hard not to sometimes get paro… Steve still burns sage in his flat once a week just in case there’s still spirits knocking about.

Which episode of episodes of your podcast mean the most to you?

The episode where I finally reveal the script for the film I’ve been writing about my life. MC Grindah: The Movie. We acted out some of the scenes and it was really emotional for me to see it come to life. Idris Elba, if you’re seeing this, and I’m sure you are – the part of MC Grindah is still up for grabs. Everyone says we’re basically twins so it’s the role of a lifetime for you, I’m not sure why you’ve been ignoring our messages. Maybe you’re in the gym bulking up, trying to get my shoulders.

Which podcasts of podcast hosts inspire you most?

I don’t listen to podcasts to be honest, they’re mainly for brears who drink coffee and have folding bikes and suits with running trainers that want something to listen to on the tube. So I’d probably have to say myself. And I inspire those around me as well so in a way I’m inspired by them because they’re inspired by me.

Finally, what are your current favourite podcasts?

Hmm. Tough one. I think I’d have to say The Kurupt FM Podkast. And if it’s not your favourite then you’re wrong cos we literally have an award to prove that it’s the best one. It’s mad actually cos I never was a fan of podcasts before but I have single-handedly converted myself into a podcast fan.

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